Hi all,
I’ve got some good news. We’ve been looking over your feedback and working on as many of your suggestions as possible for the last week and have got some improvements planned for next week. So we wanted to give you an update on where we’ve got to, next week’s improvements, what’s still to come, what we’re unfortunately not able to change and what the next steps are after these first updates.
Next Week’s Improvements
Text styling
We’re aware many of you were having difficulty with the default text styling. The text is going to be made darker overall, larger in most places and bolder in some places. We will also make the text links more consistent and clearer.
Some of the changes that were made as part of the community upgrade were to bring the styling in line with the main RSPB website - it’s important that we have a consistent look across all of our sites and the old community website had fallen away from these as it’s been a while since it was last upgraded. However, there are a lot of places where these have to be changed in the software and in many places the text was showing ‘default’ settings - the lighter grey text for example. This is where there have been some visibility issues which should be improved next week.
Forum post ordering & layout
One of the things we know you’ve been keen to see improves is how posts and replies have been displayed.
With the software upgrade came a new layout to post threads. This meant that replies to previous posts were indented or ‘nested’ which can make it harder to follow the order of replies. Also, it required clicking through multiple pages to get to the end of very long threads.
We plan on switching off the nesting entirely. When you reply to a previous post, it will show as ‘in reply to…’ next to your name in the post. The order of posts will also be reversed so that the latest posts show at the top rather than the bottom, so there’s no need to click through pages to get to the end of the thread. There will still be buttons at the top with ‘Oldest’ and ‘Newest’ so you can switch between these.
This all means that you will see a ‘flat’ list of all replies to the original post shown at the top of the page, going from most recent down to oldest. Clicking on the ‘Reply’ button shown under the original post will add to the thread as a whole, or the ‘Reply’ button under every individual reply will reply to that post itself.
We’re also adding a ‘Latest posts’ list on the right of the page (or bottom, on phones) which will show the latest 10 posts within that forum. This will replace the ‘Related’ post list which didn’t seem to be very relevant according to your survey feedback.
Community home page layout
We’re going to increase both the number of recent forum posts and recent blog posts shown on the homepage, from 10 to 15 (forum posts) and 5 to 9 (blog posts). Bear in mind that you can click through the pagination at the bottom of the forum posts to see more, and we’ve added this to the blog posts too.
We’re also adding a similar feature for photos, so you can view the latest photo/video uploads from the homepage.
On the right of the page (on larger screens, or the bottom on phones), we’re improving the lists here to show the most popular 10 forums and blogs. We have an awful lot of both and hopefully this should make it easier to find them.
Section pages
(ie. the main pages for Wildlife, Places to Visit, Get Involved, Our Work, Chat & About)
All of these pages are being improved to make them align with the main community homepage. This means that rather than just displaying the forums and blogs that live within them, they will also show all the latest forum and blog posts, more like before the upgrade.
Media uploads
The upload limit for attachments will be increased to 5Mb per file. We are continuing to look into how we can alter the software to have different default display sizes of images and video, once we have an answer on this we will let you know how we intend to update and improve this.
Post/blog content
A couple of people in the survey responded that they thought some content was moved or removed as part of the upgrade. It’s important to point out that no content was moved or deleted at all (except for a bit of spam that had crept in!). It’s all still in exactly the same place as before; the software upgrade changed nothing more than page layouts and styling.
Hopefully the upcoming changes will make it easier to navigate around and find what you’re looking for, but rest assured that it’s all still there.
Still to come
Reply box
We’re still looking at ways of making it easier to reply to a forum post, including having the reply box open by default.
Sticky header
We’re looking at removing the ‘sticky’ header so that the area at the top of the page doesn’t ‘lock’ in place as you scroll down, taking up some screen space.
Forum pages
We’re looking at ways of to make it easier to skip through pages of the forums by page number instead of having to click on a button to load the next page one at a time. If we do manage this then we may switch the post order back so that the oldest ones are shown first and the latest ones are at the bottom, but you’d start off at the latest page.
We’re not able to change
Who’s online
There used to be a list of users currently online which some people mentioned in the survey that they miss. This isn’t a feature available in the new software, though each user does have a coloured dot next to them to indicate whether they’re online or not… green if so, grey if not.
Next steps
Next week we’ll implement these improvements and comment on this thread to let you know. Once this is live take some time have a look around and get used to what will have changed then let us know here what we should look at improving next. It’s in our plan that for future improvements you’ll be asked for suggestions and we want to get you involved in the testing stages as well, to make sure this remains your community.
Thanks again to everybody for your patience and helping to feed into how we can improve.
Morning all!
Our updates and improvements mentioned in my main post have now gone live so you should see an improvement in how easy it is to navigate around the community.
In addition to the changes mentioned above we have managed to minimise the header interference (although unfortunately we've so far only been able to do this in desktop view not mobile) and we have also fixed the emoji alignment issue spotted by scylla yesterday as well.
Have a look around, give it a bit of time to get used to the changes then continue to let us know what you like or don't like with the community so we can get the best picture of how to make the community as good as it can be.
Nice to see the site back online. Very impressed with the improvements. Many thanks to everyone involved.
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Hi Jon
Navigation within threads was my main gripe, this looks much improved. Thanks, Ian
Great improvement, many thanks for the updates Jon and also thanks to the Digital Team for their efforts. Glad our pleas for changes were heard this time.
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Regards, Hazel
I'm afraid I don't find the 'newest at the top' update very useful. Unless you have this forum on 24/7, you still have to go back to the last post you read and then catch up. What i would like is what I used to be able to do - leave 'Weekly Chat', for example, as an open tab, and be able to 'refresh'. which would then take me back to the last message I read and I could go forward from there ... wonder if that's possible now? Doesn't seem to be, which is a shame.
Some comments & curiosities, now I'm sat comfortably :-)
Overall, simple changes have helped a lot, threading is better turned off, font is (at least a bit) clearer, top banner is smaller, file upload size is better, so well done all round.
I'll just try some pictures....
That's 4.7MB, default sizing
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That's near 7MB (so not limiting size to 5MB), size 1000 x blank
Whilst uploading the file, a little progress bar would be nice (old one used to show one)
This next one's a Flickr-link (ie not actually uploaded)
OK, let's see what that stuff looks like....
OK, that's interesting - when I try to actually post the reply, only now does it tell me that second image is too big. Well, actually, it doesn't tell me that specific image is too big. Ideally it should throw out my initial upload of the file, otherwise it will need to tell me the culprit
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Having posted that reply, it actually appears at the bottom of the displayed responses
Refreshing the view puts it at the top next to the more recent comments. Curious!
I just came across that phenomenon WJ, most discombobulating making one think post had not posted ... time-wasting again checking & re-checking!! Grrrrrr
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A quick reply on phone. I get Paragraph choices on phone I don't see on PC, though not sure how I'd get bold Tec on here, whilst PC handles that fine. Definitely differences in the functionality around typing stuff in.
I'll try a pic, this is the pile of rubbish thrown up onto Minsmere beach by recent weather, Matt & I had a bit of a collection!
Progress % shows when you upload from phone, which is nice
Ok, can't use that pic, too big (6MB). No message about that though, it simply wouldn't post my reply. Let me try a smaller pic of a bit of the rubbish instead
Not sure if you realised, but uploading the pic by phone you don't get any of that sizing stuff - so the image displays full width automatically. Aligning the PC image upload facility with this behaviour would be ideal
I've got the Reply button and I'm on the same version of Chrome as Alan.
It's also there in Firefox and interestingly the text is less greyed out in Firefox.
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Tony
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