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Topsoil question??

Hello All,

Apologies haven't been on for a while but I'm hoping someone might be able to answer my question?

I have just built a very large raised bed for growing vegetables in and having now blown the rest of my budget on compost the thing is still only half full!! I have been offered some topsoil by someone at work for free but it has been piled up under a pine tree for a few years and comes apparently complete with pine cones!....

I know that some pine/conifer trees are said to poison the soil they grow in so is this actually the case? or will this soil be ok to use in my raised bed mixed in with the compost & well rotted manure already in there?

For those who might be interested here is a picture of said bed....

The soil level is now lower than shown here as the rain has compacted it down somewhat.

Cheers

Higgy

  • The quality of the topsoil will depend on where it has come from. If it was just dumped under the trees, then it will probably be fine to clean up and mix with the other ingredients. If it comes from under the pine trees long term, it is likely to be acidic and nutrient poor - not necessarily a bad thing but it will need additional nutrients adding (a general fertiliser such as blood, fish and bone?) and may affect certain types of crop that prefer a more neutral pH soil.

    Nice raised bed by the way! I had a similar problem last year when I bought two large raised beds to put flowers/shrubs in alongside my neighbours garage - I was astounded by how much compost was needed. Needless to say, after a year, it has compacted even further and now needs topping up.

  • I agree with GeoDave on the pine tree affect. I used a mixture of topsoil and compost in my raised beds with extra sharp sand for the ones I uses for carrots. It's worked well but it is important to check the ph and getting that right. I've got four - two brick and two recycled plastic. Yours looks great; I like the liner.

    [Sorry if you already know all this.] Adding lime is fairly easy to get soil to neutral for most vegetables. I use dolomite limestone I buy in bulk [cheaper] because I have Earthboxes as well and they take two cupfuls of it every season to keep the compost ph neutral. It does take a bit of time to work.

  • Hi All, As always many thanks for your replies. I think from what I've been told this soil has just been piled up under the tree as a place to dump it!

    As stated above current ingredients in the bed so far are:-

    1. 4" of rotted manure at the bottom of the bed,
    2. 2 large bin fulls of home made (kitchen waste) compost,
    3. At least 12 bags of shop bought compost,
    4. 8 bags of shop bought topsoil,
    5. 1 bag of sharp sand
    6. half a bag of gravel/grit.

    This other topsoil will be to add a bit more depth, bulk and structure to the current ingredients!! I'm presuming that even if the PH is out a bit the other ingredients should help to balance it out or do you think I would still need to add some lime as suggested?

    For reference I will be growing Carrots, Spring Onions and some Salad Crops I should think....

    Thanks

    Higgy

  • Hi Higgy how's things, long time no see!! I am lucky enough to be near a Mushroom farm, and I got a trailer load 8x4 raised sides for €20.00 a bargain ,They are only to pleased to get rid of it ,apparently they only use it for so long and then have to replace it,no problem with it, as its sterilized in the plant, Gill say's its brilliant on her veggie beds

    It would be worth a phone call or 2 to find out

    Regards Mick

    Work is for those people that don't Bird-watch!!!!  

  • Higgy, I dont want to add to your worries over amounts of soil but did you see Gardener's World last night where Rachel De Thame got a load of children to walk over the raised beds to compact it down before starting to prepare the soil surface.

  • hi Higgy

    woulldn't use that topsoil for the raised box. can't you use topsoil from your garden and fill the hole with your friends topsoil

     Ray

          

             a good laugh is better than a tonic

  • Hi Higgy50 why dont you ring your local council, and ask them if they have any composted material, that you could have, they will normaly give this free and it is really good well rotted and full of nutriants. good digging Alan

    always many sides to an argument

  • Hi All,

    Right I'll try and answer all of the above!.....

    Great to speak again Mick, hope all is well? Mushroom compost is a great idea and I actually live really close to a mushroom compost farm!! Unfortunately they charge rather a lot of money for it!

    Bob, yes I did see it but the amount of torrential rain we've had here over the last week has already compacted it down rather a lot!! LOL...

    Hi Ray, Can't use soil from the garden as we are infested with the dreaded horsetail weed, which is the reason why I have gone with raised beds in the first place. All my raised beds are built on hardcore & heavy duty weed membrane designed for under ponds! The flipping stuff has even sprouted up in my greenhouse and I dug out the base, double membraned the ground, filled it with about a foot of broken bricks & hardcore and the topped off with gravel and the stuff has still come through!!!!!

    Jack, Tried that in the past and I just keep getting diverted to the next counties council compost section who charge a shed load of money and I would have to drive miles to fetch it!...

    THE GOOD NEWS....

    After searching everywhere and putting adverts up at work etc I couldn't find any topsoil anywhere! Saturday I went round my best mates house and told him about it and he said....

    "I've got tons of the stuff I can't get rid of and you can have as much as you want!!!!!"

    Wish I'd spoken to him in the first place!!! LOL

    Thanks all for your comments and help!

    Higgy

    P.S.... anyone want some topsoil!!!!!!!!!!!!! LOL