Is any interested in a forum on birds in Italy?
We are rennovating an old house in Abruzzo and so have got familiar with the birds that frequent our woods and garden , my favourite is the Golden Oriel . I love to hear their melodious call but I can't say the same about the cackle that the young birds make! We thought it was an owl at first!We regularly see woodpeckers and warblers The Sardinian Warbler is most common and they are known as 'cooked eyes' in Italy!Due to the orange ring around the eye.
I am saddened by the failure of the Italian State to protect wild animals and birds and in particular the deregulation of Hunting Laws.Next year I hope to take part in the anti -poaching camp on the Straites of Messina organised by LIPU the Italian bird protection society
Unbelievably this sort of thing goes on in many parts of Italy!
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Sorry but I find this thread a bit extreme, and upsetting.
The pictures are upsetting me personally, and others no doubt!
Please can you tone it down a little, add literature, and keep the pictures off limits
Oh yes after two posts that says it all {not happy}
Regards
Kathy and Dave
I'm sorry that I have upset you.I find this image pretty upsetting too but I joined LIPU.UK to try and stop the killing of wild birds in Italy.
http://www.lipu-uk.org/Trapping1.htm
I have not included a photo here but if you want to find out more about trapping and hunting birds in Italy this is a link to some very unsavory images so do not click it if you dont want to see them.
You are right that I have only just joined.I didn't mean to break any codes on distressing images .Can someone please let me know where i can find the guidance section for this forum?
Hope to chat again to anyone interested in Italian birdlife.
Hi There
No worries. Just an overdose of politics from Italy.
Well, it is good to know that you can provide us with a link so we can read up about the subject at hand. We need to make decisions of our own.
Personally I am aware that these trends are committed abroad, but I prefer to enjoy birds for what they are. I have friend who is committed to fight for the cause and she tells me me everything I need to know.
There are a lot of political propeganda going on - no problems there but I think the RSPB is presented for what it does to protect birds in the UK,
It is much harder when issues are apparant from abroad as the Goverment have different rules, and values to what we have here.
Do not get me wrong here, but it is a soup laden with confusion, and we need to stick to UK values that we have going on presently.
This is a Forum for UK subjects please let it remain that way,
Unless I am told different of course {smile}
Hello and welcome to the forums!
I've never been to Italy (shame on me) but I am sure that many people will be interested as I am to hear what there is to see there. I have to say that Italy isn't really well known as a birdwatching destination here in Britain, at least not compared to some other European countries. So please carry on and educate and inform us!
And as for the pictures of trapped birds, yes they are a bit upsetting and I wouldn't hang the photo on my wall at home. But pictures like this should make us upset with the so-called hunters, and those in European governments who prefer look the other way and ignore European laws - not with the people who are prepared to do something about, like you. Good luck!
Welcome petriroso
Firstly I would like to commend you for raising the awareness to the people of the UK and to everyone that visits these forums from around the world of this despicable illegal slaughter of many thousands of birds.
Of which the vast majorities are migratory birds!
Secondly I would also like to commend Colin Wilkinson for his words.
The RSPB supports many campaigns at a global level not just within the UK!!
There are political agendas where ever there is an opposing view!
Asian Vultures Appeal
Save the Sumatran Rainforest
Safe Guard our Sea Life
To name a few!
With regards to the illegal killing of thousands of birds in Southern Europe the RSPB stance is pretty clear:
The RSPB believes in:
http://www.rspb.org.uk/supporting/campaigns/illegalhunting/europe.asp
http://www.rspb.org.uk/supporting/campaigns/illegalhunting/italy.asp
The RSPB website has many pages on this subject the above three links will direct you to their appeals and information.
Well-done Petriroso keep up the support
Regards Buzzard
Nature Is Amazing - Let Us Keep It That Way
petrirosso said: I'm sorry that I have upset you.I find this image pretty upsetting too but I joined LIPU.UK to try and stop the killing of wild birds in Italy. http://www.lipu-uk.org/Trapping1.htm I have not included a photo here but if you want to find out more about trapping and hunting birds in Italy this is a link to some very unsavory images so do not click it if you dont want to see them. You are right that I have only just joined.I didn't mean to break any codes on distressing images .Can someone please let me know where i can find the guidance section for this forum? Hope to chat again to anyone interested in Italian birdlife.
With regards for showing such images, I'm sorry but I feel its important that you do and in order to get EU politics to take it on board this is the place to begin, (perhaps a warning at the top of your thread will help people choose) yes its distasteful but showing images of atrocities is the way to galvanise people into action.
RSPB stands for all birds and if you don't already have one I suggest you start with a petition to these politicians. If there is one please give me the link, I for one will sign in a heart beat.
We are all part of the EU and our voice will be heard!!
John :-)
For viewing or photography right place right time is everything. I'd rather be in the right place with poor kit than have the best kit and be in the wrong place.
Hello petrirosso and welcome to the site.The fact the very disturbing picture you posted is on the homepage of the LIPU UK site, shows the horrors that Italian bird conservation entusiasts are sadly faced with. It sickens me to hear that a European government can turn a blind eye to the illegal trapping and killing of wild birds.On a happier note, the information on bird species in Italy is a real eye opener as to the wildlife there.
Paul.
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Petrirosso, I too have looked at the LIPU UK site and I agree that we should do all we can to publicise this atrocity. The picture you published needs to be shown and my reaction was one of disgust and anger. The most popular forum on this site is the LG Ospreys and I am so upset to find that the Italians shoot them for sport. Yes, we know these things happen around the world, but we can't close our eyes and hope it goes away. If, as John says, you start a petition yourself or through the LIPU UK, I will certainly sign.
Hi Everyone
As people will know here already that I visit Menorca, Spain about mid-May time - each year.
What Dave and I have learned form another country is so far removed from the UK
In Spain - for example it has take 15 years for a simple 'Nature Reserve' to be opened to the public. Land owners in Spain are very indifferent to what actually they own, or what they claim they own. They claim that a piece of land is theirs even though there are no documentation to prove anything.
When someone states they own land it is because they state it is their ownership rights over whatever means they decide to go about it. So in turn, it makes it hard for any 'Nature Reserve' to be established at all.
When Dave and viewed Black Winged Stilts this year we could not leave the car we where in because we could upset the owner of the land. We could find ourselves in trouble if it was not for our human 'guide'
Nothing was straight foward at all, so I underatand what Italy could be like along the same level as Spain has shown Dave and I.
Even the local fisheries is open to all and sundry. Now the area is a protected zone close to where we stayed at Fornells. The protection zone has only been around the last year or so, but it works. No more fishing at all no matter what the reason is!
Nothing is that straight forward at all in EU countries at all.
A petition would be good idea in more ways than one {thumbs up}
A lot of feelings towards wildlife is suffering persecution of any type is inexcusable.
That is so cruel to me and others to (sad}
Regard