Does anyone know why Crows are being captured in what appears to be a one-way trap cage on farmland in Lincolnshire. Very distressing sight & sounds.
mpiekp said: Straying sideways for a moment.... but questions on the decoy? where do they come from in the first place? Is the decoy also destroyed? seams the decoys welfare is to be taken into account, but no mention of where sourced etc.... sounds like a murky backdoor exploit to me
Straying sideways for a moment....
but questions on the decoy?
where do they come from in the first place?
Is the decoy also destroyed?
seams the decoys welfare is to be taken into account, but no mention of where sourced etc....
sounds like a murky backdoor exploit to me
Not really murky or perhaps some people consider it murky,as I stated above most people look after decoy well as they need it for another year or at least they need one if not that one so it is a necessary evil if you like to look after decoy well.Of course not everyone obeys the rules but think it must be in their best interests to look after the decoy properly.One thing opponents may not be aware of is that some people do this who I consider real small bird lovers where they consider Magpies decimate the local population of small birds.I realise the RSPB disagrees with this but not everyone agrees with their figures.
michael s said: Straying sideways for a moment.... but questions on the decoy? where do they come from in the first place? Sniped
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the debate over reason's why(for and against) has been done to death on other threads no need for it to come back on this one.
Yes some may look after the decoy well, but where are they obtained from are they bought?
or obtained illegally.
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Bryn O said:Surely this cannot be right..... the birds don't appear to have any perching facilities, food or water.
This would need to be reported to the wildlife crime officer with your local police force, there is a database for these numbers on our website linked here.
For further information about what criteria justifies the use of Larsen traps for the control of corvids please read the information provided by Natural England on their website here.
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I hate traps of any kind and would release a bird if i saw one .Yes............. AND i would willingly pay the price.
If any animal or bird is to be killed, please make it swift and do NOT prolong the agony.
I was brought up where Corvids were many as was songbirds etc etc etc. in a small place called Washington County Durham (a Town today) . There wasn't a shortage of birds period.
We are now blaming these birds for mans mistakes and quite frankly it makes me sick..........I am not blaming farmers or anyone else as we all have to accept that when we changed gardens to concrete jungles which many have done, we also played a huge part.
Was it the Corvids that took away the safe habitat for millions of birds or was it man.....
Rant over, and no apologies...
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Hi Bryn
I think IanH has hit the nail on the head. It may be the fact this person is doing this act illegally from what you have said on this thread.
Maybe he read the press article about the Crow Cull, and decided to take the law into his own hands....as some people get the wrong end of the stick with laws about Larsen Traps. He may have done this for a long time, and not been checked for this cruel act. He does not care about the decoy birds welfare at all in the trap {grrr}
Some photographic evidence might be a good thing, and tell the wildlife Officer where the trap was seen. Do not place yourself in any danger though please!
Be careful how you take any photos incase it backfires in your face as you do not know these characters. and they may be unsavoury people.
Ian H said: Surely this cannot be right..... the birds don't appear to have any perching facilities, food or water. This would need to be reported to the wildlife crime officer with your local police force, there is a database for these numbers on our website linked here. For further information about what criteria justifies the use of Larsen traps for the control of corvids please read the information provided by Natural England on their website here. [/quote]
Surely this cannot be right..... the birds don't appear to have any perching facilities, food or water.
mpiepk--------if you read my previous comment the answer is there,I tried to help with the answer and not everyone likes the idea but it is legal,of course no one knows where the original came from perhaps 50 years ago but the answer is definitely in previous comment and it is illegal to treat these birds differently to the law.
I do not want to go over the reasons etc just explain how decoys as you call them come from.I suspect if you googled in the relevant words you would have found out more than I can tell you.
I do worry when subjects like this come on to a forum because people's personal opinions do tend to override views on legal issues.
If a Larsen Trap is being operated legally then please do not touch it. The landowner may well resort to illegal alternatives and his opinion of birders may well deteriorate.
If a Larsen trap is being used illegally then report it to the Police / Wildlife Crime Officer.
Where do decoy birds come from. Corvids will go into cage traps even of there is no decoy in there. Once caught the same general licence allows the use of that bird as a decoy and its welfare becomes important.
Larsen Traps have been legal for many years (interestingly no longer in the country where they were designed). I don't like this any more than anyone else on this forum but if something is legal then there is not a lot you can do about removing it legally. I would much prefer the headline " Legal Gamekeeper helps police over illegal activity by neighbour" rather than "Birdwatchers interfere in Gamekeeper's legal activity"
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Bryn O said: Does anyone know why Crows are being captured in what appears to be a one-way trap cage on farmland in Lincolnshire. Very distressing sight & sounds.
The RSPB web-site has some advice on spring traps and cage traps Here
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World of difference between spring traps which are completely illegal and larsen traps completely legal when used correctly also target different species.
No one can interfere with another persons lawful pursuit and if something is wrong simply report it either RSPCA or police would take action.
Sheena said: We are now blaming these birds for mans mistakes and quite frankly it makes me sick..........I am not blaming farmers or anyone else as we all have to accept that when we changed gardens to concrete jungles which many have done, we also played a huge part. Was it the Corvids that took away the safe habitat for millions of birds or was it man.....
Well said Sheena - I couldn't agree more. Corvids are intelligent and beautiful birds with as much right to life as as any other. There is NO moral justification for the use of traps.
CJ