Kestrels

kestrels don't hover ? re ;  Darren Oakley-Martin on 15 August 2009 at 16:23- (Latest posts on Blogs page)

Is this right?     surely its a bit controversial to say that.  Or is just myth I don't want busting.

My knowledge on flight is very limited. but surely  i watch them hovering, The place I see them best doing this, is at the Mull o Galloway where oftent one is looking down on them and see this hovering action.   So is hovering defined as flying into the wind and not getting anywhere.?? :-)   Have I not seen them doing this elsewhere when there doesn't seem to be any wind.??

ps I'm sure its right, its just  the thought of them fighting against the wind  rather than hovering - just take some of the romance/magic away

 

Susan

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  • Hi to All

    Soosin said:

    kestrels don't hover ? re ;  Darren Oakley-Martin on 15 August 2009 at 16:23- (Latest posts on Blogs page)

    Is this right?     surely its a bit controversial to say that.  Or is just myth I don't want busting.

    My knowledge on flight is very limited. but surely  i watch them hovering, The place I see them best doing this, is at the Mull o Galloway where oftent one is looking down on them and see this hovering action.   So is hovering defined as flying into the wind and not getting anywhere.?? :-)   Have I not seen them doing this elsewhere when there doesn't seem to be any wind.??

    ps I'm sure its right, its just  the thought of them fighting against the wind  rather than hovering - just take some of the romance/magic away

     

    Susan

     

    I wonder if Darren will relpy to this to explain his comment. I for one would be interested to read it and I am sure Soosin would like to know if it's amyth that needs busting.

    Graham

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  • Andrew Village, in his seminal work The Kestrel writes:

    ''In a strict aerodynamic sense, hovering means flying above a fixed ground position in still air. Kestrels need some wind if they are to stay in a fixed position because what they actually do is fly into the wind so that the forces of weight and drag are exactly matched by the lift from the airstream and the thrust of their wings.''

    In other words, they fly into and at a speed equal to that of the wind in order to remain still. On still days, with little or no wind, kestrels adapt a different strategy, that of perched-hunting, from telegraph poles, trees or other elevated positions.

    I hope this clears up any confusion.

    Best wishes,

    Darren

     

     

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  • Hi Darren

    Well put as I think what you have siad is exactly as it is.

    Hovering is as you have explained without any more confusion attached.

    Regards

    Kathy and Dave

  • Sorry Darren, Thank you for the time.

    at least  hummingbirds and dragonflies truly do, phew  x

    All I ask is the chance to prove that money can't make me happy.
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  • Hello Susan,

    There is no need for apologies! It depends whether we wish to use the scientific or literary meanings of the verb to hover.

    Earlier in the thread, you mention that you think some of the romance is taken away from knowing that kestrels don't (technically) hover.

    Maybe it's best to look at it slightly differently: kestrels are masters of the wind - they have it under their control and they use it to do their bidding, and they do so with an ease and proficiency that is beyond any other European landbird.

    Best wishes,

    Darren

    Leave only footprints, kill only time.

  • Isn't coincidence a strange thing? I'm just reading Simon Barnes' "How to be a bad birdwatcher" and he calls this poem the greatest nature poem ever. I was going to look it up, and here it is! Thanks, Jandy.

    Btw - and probably preaching to the converted here, but if anyone hasn't read "bad birdwatcher" yet, you really should!

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  • Oh thanks  Darren,  you've certainly put the romance back in there for me,  "Masters of the Wind"   - I'll always think that now.

     

    Thanks to all

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  • Hi to All,

    I have been watching  a programme on TV, David Attenbourgh The Life of birds. They where showing footage of how differant birds fly and one of them was the kestral in slow motion. Also they showed footage of the barn owl Perrigrine falcon albatross and many others. Well worth a look Virgin TV channel 206 well worth a look.

    Graham.

    PS for al the Osprey fans they where included as well

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  • Anonymous
    0 Anonymous 06/09/2009 18:50 in reply to Soosin

    Hi Darren

    Love what you have said in your last couple of posts.  It  makes us think of all BoP's having their own unique way of hunting and flying.  I have to admit that I have always thought of Kestrels as the only birds that 'hover' in the sky - do not know of any other birds that so the same thing (other than Hummingbirds maybe)

    There is a busy junction connected onto the A421 Motorway (close to where we stay in Bedford).  There is always a Kestrel 'hovering' close to the roundabout.  Other times we see it perched on a fence post so it must be its territory it is guarding for itself. 

    So each time we pass by the area in the car, we are always watching out for the same bird.

    There must be a lot of prey for Kestrels in the grass verges at the side of motorways. Must be food heaven for a Kestrel, and a delight to us to see anytime!

    It is great to watch Kestrels when you drive past the same bird each and every time. (OH has to concentrate on the road though!).  We have had one or two good close up of the same bird hovering, and diving into the verge at the side of the motorway.  Better than a Wildlife film on the TV,

    Regards

    Kathy and Dave

    Soosin said:

    Oh thanks  Darren,  you've certainly put the romance back in there for me,  "Masters of the Wind"   - I'll always think that now.

     

    Thanks to all