Identity of two birds required please.

Hi, I am new to bird spotting and up till now my main interest has been taking photographs of them. I have managed a Kingfisher, a Red Kite, Greater Spotted Woodpecker and a  Nuthatch during the past week, then along came these two which I haven't been able to identify - I suspect they are female versions of more colourful males, but I can't decide what they are even though I have searched the RSPB website and I have three books on bird ID.

I would appreciate your help please

Oh dear I tried to upload one of the pictures but got an error message stating 'maximum time exceeded' I will try again

thanks

Ruthie