I'm not too good at identifying warblers so while this fine weather has continuued i've made a determined effort to see and ID as many as I can. However, I would appreciate it if those more expert in this area than me would confirm or otherwise my identification. To that end I've visited a couple of reserves to see what was about.
The first visit was to my local nature reserve Dinton Pastures in the early morning (6:30am) before the dog walkers and joggers got started. Just to prove it here's a shot of the mist lingering over Lavell's Lake with a solitary little egret.
I'm fairly sure this first bird is a chiffchaff - dark legs, fairly indistinct supercillium but it would be nice to have that confirmed.
This bird is the one I'm least confident about. I've identified it as a garden warbler - rather plain, stout bill and with a little grey patch on the side of the neck. Am I right?
There were plenty of sedge warblers about which I was able to identify easily by their song so I won't post any pictures here. I heard the songs of at least two nightingales (yes I know they are not warblers) which was good to hear although I didn't manage to see them. Just for good measure I've thrown in a picture of a tree creeper preening in the early morning sun It was a nice start to the day
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My second visit was to the RSPB's Otmoor reserve north east of Oxford. This is comparitively new reserve and my first visit. I remember the place as poor quality farmland which was only usable with extensive land drainage works and even then was a very wet marshy area. Since aquiring the land the RSPB have been restoring it to its original status and now it is an area of wet meadows and lakes with reedbeds. Work is still going on and they have just opened a brand new hide.It's well worth a visit if you are in the area although I think probably the winter is the best time to see waterfowl. I rather stupidly forgot to take any vistas of the site so you could see what it was like.
There were fewer birds there than I expected. There were quite a few lapwings out on the marsh together with a couple of greylags, a few shoveler and the inevitable canada geese. A couple of redshanks flew across as did a hobby and a solitary female wheatear put in a brief appearance.
However, sedge warblers were everywhere. They were calling from the blackthorn which was in full bloom every 30 metres or so. Here's one that performed his full repertoire right in front of me.
I'm fairly sure I heard a brief burst from a grasshopper warbler and I definitely heard a cetti's but I didn't see either.I think I heard a reed warbler but again could see it - only the reeds moving.
I'm fairly sure this next bird is a whitethroat (rather poor phot) but as i'm not very familiar with the song that I heard it would be good if someone could confirm it was that and not a lesser whitethroat.
I hope that I'm now a bit more familiar with some of our summer visitors but there's a lot further to go.
TJ
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Buzzard said: I agree with all of your IDs. No 3 is a Garden Warbler for the reasons you give I know I keep saying my computer is old and I don't get a true reflection of colours, I have brightened the photo and I don't see Garden Warbler. The overall appearance is wrong in my opinion. The bill is to fine, the eye-ring isn't pale and fine. The breast pattern is wrong. The supercilium is wrong. Having altered the photo isn't giving me a true reflection and I could be way out of the ball park, I have ringed hundreds of Warblers and this doesn't look like any Garden Warblers that I have ringed. If it is one then I will book myself an eye test LOL Take a look at this link: http://www.ibercajalav.net/img/373_GardenWarblerSborin.pdf Regards Buzzard [/quote] I think we'll have to agree to disagree. I see a stocky, milky-coffee-coloured warbler with grey neck sides, quite a sturdy bill for a warbler and a very subtle face pattern - nothing in colour, pattern or jizz looks wrong for GW to me. My blog: http://mazzaswildside.blogspot.co.uk/ My Flickr page: https://www.flickr.com/photos/124028194@N04/
I agree with all of your IDs. No 3 is a Garden Warbler for the reasons you give
I know I keep saying my computer is old and I don't get a true reflection of colours, I have brightened the photo and I don't see Garden Warbler. The overall appearance is wrong in my opinion.
The bill is to fine, the eye-ring isn't pale and fine. The breast pattern is wrong. The supercilium is wrong.
Having altered the photo isn't giving me a true reflection and I could be way out of the ball park, I have ringed hundreds of Warblers and this doesn't look like any Garden Warblers that I have ringed.
If it is one then I will book myself an eye test LOL
Take a look at this link: http://www.ibercajalav.net/img/373_GardenWarblerSborin.pdf
Regards Buzzard
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I think we'll have to agree to disagree. I see a stocky, milky-coffee-coloured warbler with grey neck sides, quite a sturdy bill for a warbler and a very subtle face pattern - nothing in colour, pattern or jizz looks wrong for GW to me.
My blog: http://mazzaswildside.blogspot.co.uk/
My Flickr page: https://www.flickr.com/photos/124028194@N04/
My first thought on seeing the picture was garden warbler, and I still think it. It looks bulky, plain-headed (barely a suggestion of a super-c), rather stout-billed, and it has that highly characteristic grey patch on the side of the neck.
This debate is a good example of why I have never bought a field guide that uses photographs!
Colin
aiki said: I think we'll have to agree to disagree. I see a stocky, milky-coffee-coloured warbler with grey neck sides, quite a sturdy bill for a warbler and a very subtle face pattern - nothing in colour, pattern or jizz looks wrong for GW to me.
Hi aiki,
my eye test is booked first thing on Tuesday.
I'm really sorry for my insistence on it been a Willow Warbler, I have highlighted the photo again and I can now see the soft grey neck patch, the bill is more clearly defined and is much thicker than the first photo I viewed.
It is indeed a Garden Warbler.
Well done for sticking to your guns, even us old timers need to admit it when were wrong.
My humble apologies aiki.
TJ you don't need any help, not from blind old folk with ancient computers. LOL
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Buzzard said: It is indeed a Garden Warbler. Well done for sticking to your guns, even us old timers need to admit it when were wrong. My humble apologies aiki. TJ you don't need any help, not from blind old folk with ancient computers. LOL
Buzzard, absolutely no problem. I really do respect your expertise on these matters. Thank you for the effort and time you've given. I do actually need all the help I can get.
aiki, many thanks for your expert analysis and
Colin, thank you for your contribution.
I think that's what's so good about this forum is that we can have an intelligent discussion and sometimes disagreement without acrimony and eventually reach concensus.
As a postscript to this thread, I went out to Dinton Pastures again today and got some more pictures of a similar (maybe the same) bird. Here's a couple:
More importantly, I managed to shoot a video of it in which you can hear its song. I'm afraid it's very wobbly because it was hand held and the wind was blowing strongly. Here's the link if you want to take a look.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z-Zz-V-j4HU
I also saw another warbler which was quite exciting, for me at least, which I will post separately.
Regards
Buzzard said: I think we'll have to agree to disagree. I see a stocky, milky-coffee-coloured warbler with grey neck sides, quite a sturdy bill for a warbler and a very subtle face pattern - nothing in colour, pattern or jizz looks wrong for GW to me.
No need for humble apologies :) You should see some of the mistakes I've made in my time...!