Indeed, we have expecting company other than the white-tailed eagle that EJ successfully saw off. But instead of a Potential Prince, we had a female trying for the prime real estate. by Moffer
EJ saw her off. Scylla's videos here and here and here despite clutching a fish in her talons. Events begin with posts on this page with scylla's post.
Up to now, the ID is unknown except that it seems to be a female, and the left legged blue ring looks like it says 08. Hypotheses abound. Left legged blue rings are Scotland, while right legged blue rings are English or Welsh. And sometimes there are duplications, and not all rings are recorded to be shared publicly, as the system involves volunteers and is not strictly organized.
OH and I forgot that last night the pine marten took a toilet break on EJ's nest again. >:-( by Moffer_______________________________________The Daily Update thread is for recording nest events only—any questions or conversations can happen on the Osprey Chat thread. Thank you!
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Unknown said: Hi everyone, can I just ask is LG going to be doing anything to stop the PM from getting up to the nest as I’m sure I saw at another nest they had put a big ring thing round the middle of the tree, less stress for our beautiful EJ when the eggs/ chicks arrive surely Hi Jayne. From memory, the pine martin is a regular feature and I don't think LG have done anything to deter its presence. As far as I recall, it keeps well clear when EJ is around and she sits on the eggs and is then with the chicks once they hatch pretty much 24/7. And then they grow to a pine martin intimidating size.....And if she can see off a sea eagle, the pine martin is a doddle. But others may have a view and there may be a case where a PM has taken an egg/chick from under the nose/breast of a osprey. The knowledge of some posters here is pretty phenomenal so let's wait and see if anyone else responds [/quote] I seem to be starting a lot of posts 'if I remember correctly' and have to do so again............ EJ was 'booted off' a previous nest by another female and moved to LG. At the previous nest I think she lost certainly 1 and probably 2 clutches of eggs / chicks to Pine Marten. When it was realised that this was becoming a problem many nests were 'protected' by applying a stainless steel 'wrap around' sheet at the base of the tree to try and prevent the PMs from climbing the nest tree. Unfortunately they are phenomenal acrobats and often were able to jump from 1 tree to another thus avoiding the sheet. I would be very surprised if the LG nest tree does not have a sheet at its base - but the evidence suggests that it is not very effective. Some people think Ospreys are a matter of life and death. I don't like that attitude. I can assure them it is much more serious than that.
Hi everyone, can I just ask is LG going to be doing anything to stop the PM from getting up to the nest as I’m sure I saw at another nest they had put a big ring thing round the middle of the tree, less stress for our beautiful EJ when the eggs/ chicks arrive surely
Hi Jayne. From memory, the pine martin is a regular feature and I don't think LG have done anything to deter its presence. As far as I recall, it keeps well clear when EJ is around and she sits on the eggs and is then with the chicks once they hatch pretty much 24/7. And then they grow to a pine martin intimidating size.....And if she can see off a sea eagle, the pine martin is a doddle. But others may have a view and there may be a case where a PM has taken an egg/chick from under the nose/breast of a osprey. The knowledge of some posters here is pretty phenomenal so let's wait and see if anyone else responds
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I seem to be starting a lot of posts 'if I remember correctly' and have to do so again............ EJ was 'booted off' a previous nest by another female and moved to LG. At the previous nest I think she lost certainly 1 and probably 2 clutches of eggs / chicks to Pine Marten. When it was realised that this was becoming a problem many nests were 'protected' by applying a stainless steel 'wrap around' sheet at the base of the tree to try and prevent the PMs from climbing the nest tree. Unfortunately they are phenomenal acrobats and often were able to jump from 1 tree to another thus avoiding the sheet. I would be very surprised if the LG nest tree does not have a sheet at its base - but the evidence suggests that it is not very effective.
Some people think Ospreys are a matter of life and death. I don't like that attitude. I can assure them it is much more serious than that.
The only piece I can find on pine marten disturbance is back in 2011 when Sue C was updating EJ's bio. It was in 2001 when EJ was nesting in Rothiemurchus Forest, with OVS. The nest failed, "probably due to pine martens predating the eggs" .
Clearly it can and does happen! Although the PM is often seen at the beginning of the season, and possibly she can hear them when she is incubating - she is occasionally suddenly alert for no apparent cause during the nighttime - I don't think she has lost eggs or chicks by predation whilst at the LG nest. Comments anyone?
The camera problem must be local to LG, the three other Carnyx cameras that are currently live are all working fine. Ian
SheilaFE said: The only piece I can find on pine marten disturbance is back in 2011 when Sue C was updating EJ's bio. It was in 2001 when EJ was nesting in Rothiemurchus Forest, with OVS. The nest failed, "probably due to pine martens predating the eggs" . Clearly it can and does happen! Although the PM is often seen at the beginning of the season, and possibly she can hear them when she is incubating - she is occasionally suddenly alert for no apparent cause during the nighttime - I don't think she has lost eggs or chicks by predation whilst at the LG nest. Comments anyone?
I have had a look at the EJ thread and at the very beginning I think it is Tiger who points out that there are a couple of web pages (no longer active) that confirm that EJ lost 2 clutches of eggs at her previous nest due to PMs. I think it may also be in Roy;s book.
EJ paired with Orange VS at another nest near Aviemore in 2001 and the nest was robbed of its eggs by Pine Martins.
2002 she bred successfully with OVS I think a single chick so don't know what happened to the others or eggs.
CRinger said:I have had a look at the EJ thread and at the very beginning I think it is Tiger who points out that there are a couple of web pages (no longer active) that confirm that EJ lost 2 clutches of eggs at her previous nest due to PMs. I think it may also be in Roy;s book.
As I have no wish to commit the same sin on 2 consecutive days do you think we should now make any further comments about PMs on the chat thread for April? No doubt someone more skilled than I can produce a link.
osprey chat thread april
2016: first time in history an Osprey nested in the NL. 2018: 2 active nests! 2019 a storm interferes. 2020: a third active nest in a tree!