Moving to Mirrorless

Well, I've finally done it, and ordered a new Canon R5.

Some of you may have seen my comments about looking into new cameras and gear in another post, A couple of days by the River Deben in Suffolk, and my apologies to Dave for the unintended hijack so I've set up a new thread to keep folks updated.

To continue from my comments, as many of you will be aware, I've been grounded by my falling apart body, but i've nothing but praise for the nurses, consultants, doctors and anyone else involved it working hard to resolve the situation.

We've all heard the old saying, the devil makes work for idle hands, well, include computer and mouse into that, and I've been researching into mirrorless cameras, which is the future, whether we like it or not.

Me, I'm intrigued and like the concept, but not the costs.....

Why the Canon R5?

Well, first and foremost, my son said go for it!

Some of you may be aware his partner walked out on him eighteen months ago, which almost rendered him homeless. While we would happily have taken him back, after a chat with my wife, his mother, I gave him a large chunk of my savings and agreed to be guarantor for his mortgage. I never gave any repayment terms, but he did ask how much, and has transferred some of the money back to me, enough to cover the R5.

I've been using Canon cameras for many decades, and I feel they are on a par with Nikon and the other big brand names, the only problem is, if you change to another brand, then you need to change all your lenses and other associated kit as well.

My research started with the cost of upgrading and also, many camera manufacturers also offer conversion kits, or adapters, so you can use your existing lenses on the new breed of cameras.

Also, my research shown that could I use my existing lenses, the cable and wireless remotes would work, so will the Speedlite flashgun. The only extra items required are the lens mount adaptor, and the memory cards, which are still the existing SD Card, or, the faster and more capable CF Express card, whereas  the 5D4 will use a Compact Flash card.

Also, the battery pack for the R5 is the same is the 5D4, which I understand is the same as the 5D3.

This appealed.

However, the cost was still going to be steep.

My local postie, who we had for 20+ years, a very friendly chap, I never realised he did wedding photography, and offered to show me his cameras, which are Nikon, and how he managed to make the change to mirrorless.

We both agreed, Nikon, Canon or any of the other big names, you can't really go wrong.

After a very interesting three hours and numerous cuppas, and some time handling his cameras in the garden, and to play safe, I sat down to use them rather than stand and risk falling or dropping them, I was nicely impressed with what I saw.

There are some trade offs and caveats with electronic view vs live view, but I'm not one to be negative. Obstacles are there to be beaten, not beat you.

The one big downside, if it is a downside, is video. The final quality is good, however, when panning a moving subject, there is a noticeable lag. But then I don't do much video, and to be honest, my current 5D4 has some lag, because that in video mode uses the large TTF screen and not the optical viewer, which is live view.

I said obstacles are to be beaten, not beat you.

The video quality is superb, and a bigger plus, the electronic viewfinder shows the same as the large TTF screen, but the big bonus with the EVF, is you block out all the viewing intrusions that using a TTF screen came impose.

There will be more to this no doubt, as I start a new journey mirrorless, and I will be happy to share.

However, it is costly, and to make things more costly than desired, my nearest emporium haven't stock of the R5, so I've had to order from elsewhere, and not being able to go far, that means no trade in of my 5D4, which if I'm honest, I am reluctant to part with.

The new camera is on order, and should be with me in the next couple of days, all I need  is for my leg to sort itself out.

  • I don't know which it was... we lucked out and arrived on a feeding day and it was more interested in the meat wagon than us lol. I may have taken a pic or two, but only a couple of birds!!
  • Lol..tut tut not knowing the tigers name..its a celebrity!! Oh that's right you work when Longleat is on tele ..some of us just get up in time for ut starting ...post the other pics..birds or no bird..it will be a nice change and you get to show off your super new camera ;-)

    (Pardon the Scottish Accent)

  • Beachwalker 66 said:
    Hi Mike, I use Focus Peaking on my Sony A7RIII, The EVF is what I prefer to use it feels more like the 35mm SLR cameras I grew up worth. The focus aid appears as dots around the edges of objects (best way I can describe it). I can change the colour. As I manually change focus the dots increase or decrease around the objects in the view finder. It's a little disconcerting at first but actually works. Have to go get my flu jab shortly but if I can take some photos of it in action I'll post them later. You are looking at this phenomenon over the whole scene too which opens up interesting options. Plus You may also have control over sensitivity of this feature as well, More anon and enjoy

    I very rarely use the TFT screen at the back to take photos, much preferring the EVF because it removes all the immediate and distant distractions and interference, and more importantly for me, stay light getting in the way of seeing the subject and surrounding area.

    I've found the Focus Peaking setting and activated it. It'll be something to play with while I'm down here in Perranporth.

  • Scream

    WOW!

    That is a brilliant photo.

    The benefits I've discovered, and many more yet to discover, are almost making me dizzy. There are just so many pluses' to this new and fabulous camera tech, and more still being discovered.

    You will have seen the Focus Peaking suggestion when using MF from Beachwalker66. I've just tried it, and wow, that really does give you the detailed info you need.

  • Beachwalker 66 said:
    Hi Mike, I use Focus Peaking on my Sony A7RIII, The EVF is what I prefer to use it feels more like the 35mm SLR cameras I grew up worth. The focus aid appears as dots around the edges of objects (best way I can describe it). I can change the colour. As I manually change focus the dots increase or decrease around the objects in the view finder. It's a little disconcerting at first but actually works. Have to go get my flu jab shortly but if I can take some photos of it in action I'll post them later. You are looking at this phenomenon over the whole scene too which opens up interesting options. Plus You may also have control over sensitivity of this feature as well, More anon and enjoy

    A quick update on my original reply, WOW!

    I've just tried it on a beach shot from my holiday apartment to capture some shadows.

  • tuwit said:
    "One thing I miss on DSLR's, which the later film SLR's had, was a split screen to help you focus more clearly,"



    I seem to remember that replacement focus screens for DSLR's were/are available. For canon at least.

    Probably, though it's not something I've seen or heard mentioned.

    My DSLR's are now history, and have paid nicely to the R5, so I'll never find out.

  • I have been following this post with interest, both the mirrorless aspects and the recent posts about switching from full frame to crop sensor mode in camera. As I understand it, please correct me if I am wrong, but a 20MP crop sensor camera produces a cropped image of 20MP, whereas a 20MP full frame camera would produce a cropped image of around 9MP. If this image was then zoomed in and croppd in post, would the image not become too small to be printable at a reasonable size say A4. Just interested as I always wondered if full frame cropped would be better than cropped sensor with reaonably similar MP.

  • Hey BD... I've no technical expertise, but from what I gathered from Bob's post a little way back, in basic terms, the central image will still be full frame sharp if you use the crop mode, you just have less of the "superfluous" surroundings/background which is where the rest of your FF mp go.... but I may have completely misunderstood him.
    I was curious on a related point, does my 45.7 mp sensor have a greater density of pixels than the old 20mp crop sensor, or is it just that I'm shooting a bigger area means it needs the extra?
  • The 45Mpixel full frame has the same ouxel density of a 17-18Mpixel crop sensor. However, it's not quite as simple as that. The AA filter on the R5 is much weaker than that on earlier bodies, so there's less softening of the image. Coupled with the newer technology (ie better noise performance etc) you'll get a more detailed shot from the R5 in crop mode than a 7D2 (for example). At least, that would be my guess. If I have a bit of time next week I'll see if I can do some samples for interest.
    However, it should be pointed out that buying an R5 and using it in crop mode all the time is a bit of a waste of money - probably better to get an R7 and better lens for the equivalent cash!

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  • Thanks WJ... clear as mud as I shoot Nikon lol!! I'll look forward to your samples to compare (and I'll also go back through your "Getting Off Auto" threads again) :o)