Willow warbler or chiffchaff?

Hi. This is a photo a friend has asked me to identify and I think its a Willow warbler (although originally I thought chiffchaff as I've never seen a willow warbler). She also thinks it's a willow warbler but quite a few people think its a chiffchaff, any help would be great. Thanks

  • Difficult one Bob unless you can hear the bird or have it in hand to see if the bird is emarginated to the 5th or 6th primary   !!!      from what I understand the  leg colour isn't always 100% correct but dark is usually associated with a Chiffchaff along with difference in wing length (longer on WW)  which you can't tell from this photo.    I'll leave this one to the experts but going on leg colour Chiffchaff for me !

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    Regards, Hazel 

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  • In reply to HAZY:

    Thanks Hazel. I did a bit of research and saw chiffchaffs legs are darker. Seems it's rarer to see a willow warbler with darker legs but not unknown.

  • In reply to HAZY:

    It is more chiffchaff for me too.

  • In reply to Robbo:

    Often, when ww have quite dark legs, their feet are less so...at least that seems the case on many photos I have seen posted of them.

  • In reply to Robbo:

    Thanks Robbo. I think one more confirmation for chiffchaff and I'll take it. Funny that they are so hard to tell apart.

  • In reply to Bob S:

    Much easier when they are singing Bob  !!   lol

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    Regards, Hazel 

    "Each kindness shown to birds or men is sure to flutter back again" 

  • In reply to HAZY:

    I saw on my little ganders on google that the chiffchaffs tail is a lot more twitchy too... :)

  • In reply to Bob S:

    Funnily enough, had a chiffchaff chiffchaffing this morning. Contact call is slightly different to WW and although I get both in the garden in Spring and late Summer/Autumn, WW numbers are far fewer and have dropped off by now. Chiffchaff also have 'little bird' syndrome. i.e. they spend quite a bit of time attacking larger birds in between catching flies or aphids.

  • In reply to Robbo:

    That's interesting Rob,  didn't realise the Chiffchaffs could be feisty - sound like our Nuthatches !   Was a good year for both WW and RW at Leighton Moss as they ringed lots of juveniles.   I heard a Chiffchaff in our neighbouring garden two days ago although we seem to get one or two every year during spring/summer which do seem to then disappear possibly migrating end Sept/October time - or spending winter in the balmy south of England !  

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    Regards, Hazel 

    "Each kindness shown to birds or men is sure to flutter back again" 

  • In reply to HAZY:

    HAZY said:

    So we did learn something on the ringing session Hazel emarginated to the 5th or 6th primary   !!!  

    I was going to say the same but you put it better then i would have :)

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