Finches wasting huge amounts of seed

I've got lots of finches coming to the garden, but they are going through seriously huge amounts of sunflower seeds every day, which is working out to be really expensive. If they were eating it all that'd be fine but they are chucking at least a third of what they eat on the ground. I'm feeding them sunflower seed hearts. I feed them from two squirell and big bird proof seed feeders (the kinds that a cover comes over the ports if anything too heavy tries to get onto the feeder). I've got loads of greenfinches, a couple of chaffinches, and a pair of bulfinches, all of which mainly use these two feeders. Whilst this is great for the 4 dunnocks that I have in the garden, which just won't seem to go to the bird table, basically it's mainly feeding one fat pigeon that sits around all day waiting for them too come and chuck his dinner to him. Whilst I have no problem with pigeons, I consider that they can fend for themselves, and i don't wish to pay rather a lot of money to make them any fatter than they already are. I've tried chopping up the seeds in a food processor but that didn't appear to make things any better. I'm wondering whether giving them sunflower seeds without being husked would be better, as I suspect that what's happening is that they're "husking" the hearts? I know that I could put down a tray etc to catch the fallen seed with a guardian over it to stop the pigeon getting to it, but I don't want to put it back into the feeder as they poop on it at the same time as chucking it out and don't want to introduce bacteria into the feeder tube, and they throw away so much that the smaller birds wouldn't keep up with clearing what they waste. The one good thing is that at least they're not encouraging rats as the pigeon does clear up the mess, but I'd rather have a way to stop them producing the mess in the first place, if anyone happens to know of one. I've got a great lot of birds in the garden and also have a covered bird table (protected by a guardian), which I put mealworms and sunflower seeds into, which mainly attracts robins, blue, coal and great tits. 2 hanging mesh peanut feeders, which get tits on them, a plate which is covered with a guardian with mealworms only which gets robins and tits and a hanging seed feeder with a guardian with kibbled peanuts which mainly gets blue and coal tits. I've also got a niger feeder, which had a couple of gold finches too for a couple of weeks, but they've dissapeared now. I've got a hanging bird bath with stones in it for different heights and a ground bird bath, again with stones in it for different heights.
  • Hi Scottish Robin welcome to the community.

    I had the same problem as you a few years ago in my case it was the Goldfinches making a mess and wasting food, I tried buying smaller hearts thinking the wouldn't waste as much but in the end I had to put trays under each feeder where some birds will some of the dropped seed.

    Greenfinches, Chaffinches and Bullfinches will eat the black sunflower seeds, so will eat these from a table rather than a hanging feeder, so if you have room n your garden you could try a big table or a few smaller ones.

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  • In reply to Alan:

    ta for that :) I'm not keen to encourage the finches into the table and a hanging tray that I've got, as when the feeders have emptied before they've ended up on both of those and demolished everything in their wake, leaving nothing for the tits or robins :/ at the moment they're much happier on the feeders than the table/hanging tray, I suspect because the table is a covered one with sides and guardians covering it and the tray has a guardian over it (to stop the pigeons, magpies and squirrels) and I think they prefer to eat where they've got more visibility.

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    I'm happy to feed black sunflower seeds from the feeders, but I'm wondering if they'll still waste as much seed, or if with black sunflower seeds they'll just chuck out the husks, but eat all the seeds, which isn't a problem. I don't mind the odd bit of dropped seed, but they're getting through about a kilo of seeds a day and dropping about a third of that, so costing quite a lot in feeding the pigeon..............

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    If i can't find a solution then I'll put down a covered tray to collect the dropped seed, to stop the pigeons getting to it and then pop the seed left over into a tray that I've got under the niger seed feeder, which the collared doves can get to, but it seems to be too tight for the pigeons and magpies, I'm easier with feeding the collared doves than the others but if I can stop the waste altogether that'd be the best solution........
  • In reply to Scottish_Robin:

    Sorry I cannot help, but I sincerely empathise with your situation. I myself have a 'resident' fat wood pigeon who bullies all other birds (save the crow, and instead cowers in fear :-)) from under my seed feeder as if he lives here. Also, my tits and nuthatches are extremely wasteful too on the seed feeders, chucking out seed randomly. But then again, I mix both black and sunflower heart varieties in two big feeders, so expect they're looking for what they want. I suspect the small birds get used to being so well fed and get complacent. It's a nuisance and frustrating, so sometimes I am not so diligent filling them. If they see an empty feeder I let it remain so, for they'll survive on the other food provided. (Yes, it's hard to do, but the more I bend over backward to accommodate the birds, the more frustrating it is to see them feeding a pigeon). Also, my birds have changed from frantically feeding to all hoarding and hiding food all over the garden.....The behaviour seems natural though, wild though they may be, they grow comfortable seeing filled tubes of free seed.

    It's not so bad I agree since the seed is still being eaten, though mine feeds a mammoth pigeon (I know their lives are wild and hard, but they don't even bother looking for wild seed anymore like they're pets). Now I put sunflower hearts on the pigeon proofed ground table (not too much), and this is gets cleared by all the seed eating birds. This may a better way to provide seed to them and others who can't access it since the pigeon permanently lives under the feeder. I find the birds prefer to come to the ground table too and if you don't mind your birds mixing, increase seed fed there and your feeders won't empty/be wasted so quickly. And leave a pigeon a bit famished too.

  • I have the same problem as you all here.
    As soon as my two feeders are empty, I do not feed for two days.
    They eat off the ground and pretty much clean up.
  • I also have this problem. When I came back from holiday the hearts were festering on the ground and growing fungus. The ground birds don’t eat them and they just fester there. It’s costing me a fortune. I put the hearts in a blender thinking that would help but all birds seemed to completely ignore them and the food just started to rot in the feeder. The tits and robins fly to the feeder, grab a heart and fly off with them but the goldfinches take up permanent residence on the feeder pulling out hearts, nipping a tiny bit off them and throwing them on the ground. I’ve made a rod for my back because if I don’t get out there most days to clean them up I’m left with a nasty mould growing and sunflowers sprouting up in the lawn and flower beds. What I really need is a big circular bowl-shaped mesh catcher under the feeders to catch the seeds. Looks like I may need to fashion one myself
  • As this is a very old thread I probably won't be helping the OP much but might help someone else reading; I make up my own mix of sunflower heart chips, peanut granules and suet pellets. As all the pieces are small, nothing gets wasted. The birds hardly drop anything since I started doing this and the fat wood pigeons I can't rid my garden of barely get anything to eat, despite hanging around all day under the feeders. Except when I shoo them off, that is!

    Also, the sunflower seeds can't germinate if they do get dropped because they're no longer whole.

    www.ivelvalleybirdfood.co.uk/.../broken-sunflower-heart-chips.html