Bird safe weed killer?

  • In reply to Mike B:

    What a good idea, it's a heat gun with an extended handle...
    I'll take a look at these to replace my ancient butane jobby.

  • In reply to Dave - CH:

    Thanks again, I’ll pick up a bottle of 20% as well. Hoping the vinegar works and looking forward to your updates!
  • In reply to emma.h:

    Hi there, I have been using this in areas where the gaps are about 1-2 inches wide and the germinated seeds are so small and stubborn that it’s hard to pull them up by hand. My husband just yesterday pointed out that because it pulls up all the dirt between our paving stones (the tiny plants have become so abundant that pulling them up also pulls up all the dirt and pebbles between the stones), it makes the gaps between the stones even deeper which will be more difficult to remove weeds from in the future unless we can fill it immediately with something. However the patio scraper has been great (and satisfying) for the gaps that are extremely skinny!

    I’m wondering if I should skip the vinegar/weed burners and just pull all the weeds and seeds out with the scraper and then immediately fill the gaps in with this paving grout? www.wickes.co.uk/.../131899

  • In reply to jgtuk:

    Thanks for your comment! I was still a bit hesitant/wary about using an herbicide like that and with the additional comments about vinegar and weed burners, I’ll definitely try those methods first.
  • In reply to Mike B:

    Thanks for your input! Do you find it kills the weeds down to the root, and how long does it take to see results? The butane one I have is quite week and would take a very long time to do anything against even the smallest shoots/sprouts, but I admit it felt very satisfying haha.

    I wasn’t able to find an RCB plug but found an RCD plug, is that the same thing?

    Unfortunately the product you referred to is out of stock on Amazon but there seem to be similar ones of the same power and price range. Given the increase in electricity rates and our economy 7 tariff, I might be burning weeds at midnight! Haha
  • In reply to happycorgi:

    This looks good...
    More labour intensive initially but will probably reduce to a manageable amount of growth.
    I did a similar thing on my Welsh slate patio and it definitely helped. I still use the vinegar method to stop algae build up as it's lethal underfoot... I sweep the whole area with a vinegar mix in the early spring and again in late autumn and seems to work.
    Wildlife, especially birds, have massively increased in number in the last decade of my attempt at organic management on my own property.
  • In reply to jgtuk:

    jgtuk said:

    What a good idea, it's a heat gun with an extended handle...
    I'll take a look at these to replace my ancient butane jobby.

    That's exactly what it is, a paint stripping heat gun on a long handle.

    With an added benefit, you don't have to keep replacing spent gas cannisters.

    Mike

    Flickr Peak Rambler

  • In reply to happycorgi:

    happycorgi said:
    Thanks for your input! Do you find it kills the weeds down to the root, and how long does it take to see results? The butane one I have is quite week and would take a very long time to do anything against even the smallest shoots/sprouts, but I admit it felt very satisfying haha.



    I wasn’t able to find an RCB plug but found an RCD plug, is that the same thing?

    Unfortunately the product you referred to is out of stock on Amazon but there seem to be similar ones of the same power and price range. Given the increase in electricity rates and our economy 7 tariff, I might be burning weeds at midnight! Haha

    RCD or RCB, or even, by its proper definition RCCB, they are all the same and all do the same thing.

    • RCD Residual Current Device
    • RCB Residual Current Breaker (or circuit breaker in plain language)
    • RCCB Residual Current Circuit Breaker (again circuit breaker in plain language)

    The recommendation is for any outdoor electrical device(s), that include electric mowers, hedge trimmers and any other electrical garden appliance, they should all be connected to one of these devices for ultimate safe usage.

    I fully understand your comment re Economy 7. It will be the same for those using butane or propane burners, so you're caught by the financial short and curlies whatever way, and that will include chemicals!

    Now the original question, after getting the all important safety info sorted.

    It'll never reach the roots, the heat is localised so not to cause undue damage to surrounding items or plants.

    However, if the weeds are not allowed to become established, then there is a good chance the roots will be impacted.

    We have a bird feeder on the patio, and as you'd expect, some seeds will germinate, on the positive side, those roots are not allowed to become established, so will be close enough to the surface to become scorched and become lifeless.

    I also had a severe problem with ivy trying to take control of the garden, so far, that has not returned in the areas where I've burned the life out of them, but not the surrounding tulips.

    But it is localised heat, and not penetrative like a weed killer or other chemicals will be.

    Mike

    Flickr Peak Rambler

  • In reply to jgtuk:

    jgtuk said:
    This looks good...


    More labour intensive initially but will probably reduce to a manageable amount of growth.
    I did a similar thing on my Welsh slate patio and it definitely helped. I still use the vinegar method to stop algae build up as it's lethal underfoot... I sweep the whole area with a vinegar mix in the early spring and again in late autumn and seems to work.
    Wildlife, especially birds, have massively increased in number in the last decade of my attempt at organic management on my own property.

    It is time consuming, but then isn't weeding generally, unless you just blanket spray with a chemical.

    If you keep on top of the weeds, it is actually quite quick, but the initial onslaught or after a bad wet spell can be time consuming.

    Mike

    Flickr Peak Rambler

  • FYI---I've just sprayed three small patches with 20% diluted with water 1-to-1.

    Will post an update on Wednesday, with photos at 0, 24, 48, and 72 hours. (And then keep an eye on the patches to see if anything comes back.)

    We also have a nettle mix on the go. I'll post when we've tried that (but that will take a little longer) (and be a little smellier).

    Dave