Moving to Mirrorless

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    Gents, and ladies

    This is an interesting thread, and full of information. 

    Like I think the thread originator, I too have a Canon 5D, mk4. My kit currently consists of

    • Canon 5D Mk4
    • Canon EF 100-400 Mk1
    • Canon 24-105
    • Canon x1.4 Extender

    However, getting new lenses for it is becoming extremely difficult, which is pointing me towards mirrorless, with intrepidation, but excitement. I moved from film to digital and soon settled, so ?I see no reasons why the move to mirrorless is going to be any problem, except the outlay.

    Having recently retired, and a reborn keen, very, very amateur photographer, I’ve got the old 5D out and very much enjoying playing with it again.

    I’ve noted that Canon seem to supply a usb-c to usb-c cable and not a standard usb to usb-c.

    I’m curious as to why?

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    Hi and welcome.

    Re your point on lenses - now is actually a very good time to come across good quality used Canon EF lenses as more and more people are moving to mirrorless . Many those that changed to the first batch of mirrorless cameras but retained their EF lenses have now saved up enough to change to RF lenses, so more used EF lenses are becoming available.

    Since I bought my R3 I have only bought one RF lens (the 800mm f11) and still use my older EF lenses. For certain they are all heavier than RF lenses but having said that they also seem much more robust. 

    As for the cable I guess that's because more and more computers and laptops are coming fitted with only USB C ports only.   

  • I think I've narrowed down my search to the Sony A7 IV, as I don't feel the requirement for the extra resolution of the A7R III and the Sony 200-600mm lens. This still comes in cheaper than a Canon R6 mk1 and 100-500mm lens by about a grand or so. The Sony in LCE also has some bonus stuff like a backpack, extra battery and charger thrown in as freebies...

    One other consideration that sways this decision is that I don't have a very powerful PC right now so that £1000 would go some way towards editing gear. I currently have a fanless micro PC and it's already warm just from watching a few vids on youtube and typing this reply!

    My PC with my mouse sat on top:

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    What's the remarket price for a EF 500 f/4, a EF 85 f/1.8, etc. etc.?

    The camera bodies used to be the cheaper part of the market. They'd not be worried about what lens was used.

    I've a copy of some software that can edit/replace/delete/modify metadata. I'm left wonderin' how insuarnce investigators could (or would) appreciate that,

    The command line stuff is best.

    If it is software generated, then it can be changed by software (digital darkroom basics).
  • In reply to tuwit:

    tuwit said:
    I'm left wonderin' how insuarnce investigators could (or would) appreciate that,

    For an expensive lens insurance claim I suspect the company would want to see a receipt, not just some exif data that could have come from a borrowed lens (or be someone else's image entirely!)

    Re USB - I agree with Bob, it's just the moving on of technology. Bigger files means USB3 is essential and the USB-C plug is standard for any new stuff. You don't have to use the one supplied with the camera, getting one to fit your requirements is pretty straightforward

    You'll definitely need a more powerful PC for image manipulation (and storage). That becomes even more vital if you're going to start doing videos as well - they're resource heavy on the IT side :-)

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    Tag said:
    However, getting new lenses for it is becoming extremely difficult, which is pointing me towards mirrorless,

    Canon have withdrawn from new supply many of the EF lenses, but as Bob mentions, there are loads around still with many good second hand options. What lens are you actually after? If you're not actually looking for anything specific, it doesn't matter if Canon have stopped making some :-)

    EF certainly works fine on the R bodies - I use a 600/4 and the Mk2 100-400 regularly on my R5, along with a Laowa macro probe lens, a Sigma macro & other bits & pieces. All are fine and there's no loss of quality as there's no glass in the EF/RF adapter, it's simply moving the lens away from the sensor to replicate the space the mirror box takes up in a DSLR. With your setup, I'd say the shortest route to an update would be to swap the Mk1 for a Mk2 100-400 (the Mk2 is a much better lens), but as a general rule, working out what your current setup is not doing for you is the main question to answer. Although I admit, I'm as susceptible to the allure of something new & shiny as the next person!

    Glad the GoA threads have been useful to you :-)

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  • In reply to PimperneBloke:

    PimperneBloke said:

    Hi John, and welcome.
    I shoot Nikon, and personally I don't use any usb cables for transferring data, I have a card reader that I plug my SD or CF Express card into, and then plug that in to the PC
    I think some folk on here are reticent about removing the memory cards so often, but I've had no issues (touch wood)

    Also, the biggest change for me wasn't dslr to mirrorless, but from crop sensor to full frame. Everything appearing so much further away was disorienting at first.

    Thank you for the welcome.

    Looking back through the thread, I see you have the Nikon Z7ii I did read about your move to mirrorless and what your considerations were and final choice, which is a good one, going full frame.

    I think it's personal preferance, whether to use the lead or to plug the expansion/SD card into a card slot.

    Did your's come with the standard USB connector?

    regards

    John

  • It might be worth working backwards from your end goal to help decide on equipment. Eg, Just displaying images on a screen/ internet has less exacting needs than printing photos out A3, so that may inform the body choice.
  • In reply to Bobs_Retired:

    Bobs_Retired said:

    Hi and welcome.

    Re your point on lenses - now is actually a very good time to come across good quality used Canon EF lenses as more and more people are moving to mirrorless . Many those that changed to the first batch of mirrorless cameras but retained their EF lenses have now saved up enough to change to RF lenses, so more used EF lenses are becoming available.

    Since I bought my R3 I have only bought one RF lens (the 800mm f11) and still use my older EF lenses. For certain they are all heavier than RF lenses but having said that they also seem much more robust. 

    As for the cable I guess that's because more and more computers and laptops are coming fitted with only USB C ports only.   

    Hi Bob, and  thank you for the welcome.

    I was looking at replacing my 17-40, which was never a lens I used much, but that might change, and if I stay with Canon, keep the current lenses which seems a viable option with the RF/EF mount, I could buy the 15-35 and possibly the 800stm lens.

    I'm eager to play with new tech, as a retired project manager new tech was key to many businesses functions to stay afloat, its convincing my wife I'm making the right investment.

    Is your 800mm lens the STM or USM lens?

    regards

    John

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    Tag said:

    Bobs_Retired said:

    Hi and welcome.

    Re your point on lenses - now is actually a very good time to come across good quality used Canon EF lenses as more and more people are moving to mirrorless . Many those that changed to the first batch of mirrorless cameras but retained their EF lenses have now saved up enough to change to RF lenses, so more used EF lenses are becoming available.

    Since I bought my R3 I have only bought one RF lens (the 800mm f11) and still use my older EF lenses. For certain they are all heavier than RF lenses but having said that they also seem much more robust. 

    As for the cable I guess that's because more and more computers and laptops are coming fitted with only USB C ports only.   

    Hi Bob, and  thank you for the welcome.

    I was looking at replacing my 17-40, which was never a lens I used much, but that might change, and if I stay with Canon, keep the current lenses which seems a viable option with the RF/EF mount, I could buy the 15-35 and possibly the 800stm lens.

    I'm eager to play with new tech, as a retired project manager new tech was key to many businesses functions to stay afloat, its convincing my wife I'm making the right investment.

    Is your 800mm lens the STM or USM lens?

    It's the RF 800 f11 STM. It has its advantages for reach and weight but obviously the big disadvantage is the f11 but in good light it's fine and makes a great addition to my set of lenses at what is a very reasonable cost for an 800mm lens. Obviously the way the full frames handle high ISO better is an advantage when using that lens.The main reason I haven't moved to the 100-500 RF lens is that I still treasure my Canon 300mm f2.8, which I normally use with a 1.4 TC  so effectively a 420mm f4 - so I prefer the light gathering capacity to the extra reach of the 100-500 at the moment though its a bit of a chunk to carry around. One day I might just go and see how much I can get for it against the 100-500 RF. I also have a Canon 70-200 f2.8 EF , a Canon 24-105 EF , a Canon 20mm f2.8 EFand a Sigma 100mm f2.8 macro EF lens- so really still using EF lenses for the major part of my hobby.

  • In reply to Whistling Joe:

    Whistling Joe said:

    Canon have withdrawn from new supply many of the EF lenses, but as Bob mentions, there are loads around still with many good second hand options. What lens are you actually after? If you're not actually looking for anything specific, it doesn't matter if Canon have stopped making some :-)

    EF certainly works fine on the R bodies - I use a 600/4 and the Mk2 100-400 regularly on my R5, along with a Laowa macro probe lens, a Sigma macro & other bits & pieces. All are fine and there's no loss of quality as there's no glass in the EF/RF adapter, it's simply moving the lens away from the sensor to replicate the space the mirror box takes up in a DSLR. With your setup, I'd say the shortest route to an update would be to swap the Mk1 for a Mk2 100-400 (the Mk2 is a much better lens), but as a general rule, working out what your current setup is not doing for you is the main question to answer. Although I admit, I'm as susceptible to the allure of something new & shiny as the next person!

    Glad the GoA threads have been useful to you :-)

    As a retired project manager, I can understand why Canon are withdrawing the EF lenses. The move from film to digital, mirrors were still an integral part of the camera body, which isn't the case with mirrorless, therefore the adaptor is to accommodate that shorter focal distance.

    I lust over new tech, and we're never going to be too old to learn or play, I think that is all it is, the 5D is perfectly good, though a little highly hand polished, but still functions perfectly well, as do the lenses. It's filling the gap that was work and now retirement.

    I had noticed that Tamron and Sigma have RF mount lenses along with the fact their EF lenses will work using the RF/EF mount.

    regards

    John