Thank you to all for your contributions to the 2022 thread. For those interested, there is now a 2023 thread, set up by Cin, and thank you for starting the thread, I don't expect any flowers here until February, when the snow drops will start to bloom.
The link for "Plants, Flowers and Shrubs 2023. Share your photos here" is:
https://community.rspb.org.uk/chat/f/the-tea-rooms/282072/plants-flowers-and-shrubs-2023-share-your-photos-here/1417424#1417424
Mike
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In reply to ItisaRobbo:
In reply to DartRay:
DartRay said:"So far in the garden Iv only had to take out 2 wildflowers one was the same as the one in the bucket above that looks like dandelion leafs" They probably 'are' 'dent de lion', 'lions tooth', or otherwise known (in the UK) as 'dandelion' ["the same as the one in the bucket above"]. Many 'seeds' infiltrate our 'cultures/seed beds' (especially the 'airborne' variety). There are two main types of 'plant genus' and the difference between them is great. We have 'annuals' and 'perennials' and each type has a different method/means of/for 'reproduction' when 'gardening'. 'Annuals' rely upon 'seed distribution' from 'the previous year' to provide 'this years' 'germination and growth' for the plant to survive. Thus, "the genus" always 'evolves' dependant on the 'pollination' that the 'flower' received to form 'seed'. However, 'perennials' also have this ability, but live for more than a year. Thus, the plant can be "spliced" into an acceptable 'root' that continues their continued growth. I'll continue this later. Best regards Ray Dart (AKA suricat).
back onto the topic of flowers and shrubs exspeacialy since the conversation went off topic. Since there is already a 2023 thread for plants and shrubs too now. Before I find any flowers for this year to contribute to the 2023 thread if possible. What both you and Robbo said is interesting so I found what you were saying here interesting. You were saying the plant can be spliced into an acceptable root that continues there continued growth and you’ll continue this later so what else was it you were going to say continueing from this?
DartRay said:ItisaRobo said. "Some can germinate one year, survive frosts and flower the next Spring/Summer. Others get killed by cold temperatures for example." These are a "biannual" plant species and not an 'annual', or 'perennial' plant species. Why don't you make this distinction? Kind regards, Ray Dart (AKA suricat).
I don't make that distinction because what you have written is complete and utter nonsense.
For a start, you have got the word wrong. It's biennial. Biannual is totally different and means twice a year.
Secondly, biennial, is nothing to do with whether a plant survives cold temperatures! Quite the opposite! Biennial plants typically grow in year one and flower and seed in year two. They then typically die. Nothing to do with cold. It's death due to completing their life cycle. An easy example is teasel. Tough as old boots. Survives very cold temperatures. Life span across two calendar years. i.e. biennial.
Please read my factually correct post regarding 'hardiness' as it was written for your benefit as well as Zo's. As I said, "Some can germinate one year, survive frosts and flower the next Spring/Summer. Others get killed by cold temperatures for example." Those can include annuals (typically live less than 12 months, many considerably less). Fact.
DartRay said:"It'd be a shame if you were unable to post the response you've been referring to for a while, just because you have IT issues." I don't have IT "issues" unless my 'response here' was/were 'blocked' (and I don't believe that this was the case)! I don't know why I persist here, but my 'spidey sense' tells me that this site is 'anti-human' from your P.O.V. and that's why I left this site earlier! BTW, 'Firefox' is 'updated' every time you initialise the app, but the 'app' that you 'initialise' is dependent upon the O/S that your 'update' is 'initialised' from and doesn't have 'full functionality' between 'O/Ss' (operating systems). If you don't understand this, you shouldn't be posting on this 'off thread' subject! If you wish to discuss this, open a new thread elsewhere. Otherwise, I'm off this site. Ray.
got to admit. I've also no idea why you're persisting here. You have at least twice referred to being an engineer. Not sure why. I appreciate you're proud of your career, but has it got anything to do with horticulture, IT or coal mining? You clearly aren't or weren't a software engineer.
I have frankly had enough of the intelligence insulting. I haven't come on here to argue, correct people or give out invoices for IT training. I also didn't want to go into background or who's better qualified than who in exchanges 'conflicting facts'.
I had a career in IT, 25 years working in a data centre for an international organisation that valued my IT skills enough to pay a Y2K Retention Bonus. I starting using Firefox as the browser of choice before most people had heard of it, both at home and at work. I am sorry to offend you by 'not understanding' your nonsense and if you want to carrying on believing your self taught skills are great then fine. I am not interested in giving free advice on how to optimise or use Firefox, and it hasn't been lost on me that you're still dancing around the fact you still haven't posted a response 'due to Firefox'. I've also got several bits of hardware at home, incl a dual boot desktop. Linux Mint (Cinnamon).
I will not waste anymore time responding to either your gardening expertise or your IT issues (that amazingly despite your claimed skills, you haven't resolved).
ItisaRobbo said:Sorry Zo. I'll not add to your Plant thread anymore. It's gone well off topic so I'll dip out unless someone adds more 'alternative facts' to it again.
Sorry again Zo. Alternative facts were again posted. I'll stop posting on this thread now. Promise.
ItisaRobbo said:
ItisaRobbo said: Sorry Zo. I'll not add to your Plant thread anymore. It's gone well off topic so I'll dip out unless someone adds more 'alternative facts' to it again.
Ok. Thats ok. Dont worry about the word though. Probably just got the words mixed up or confused or spelled the wrong word . I don’t mind if it has to do with cold temperatures or not I’m still interested in what ray is going to continue related to it anyway.
In reply to Zo Clark:
That’s ok. Neither do we either though so you don’t have to worry about that here. I think the conversation could of caused some confusion partly cause the conversation went off topic maybe. This is how the discussion went I sent some photos of my seedlings on the 15th December that were originally covered in ice and I managed to get some ice of of. And which ones are doing well and which ones arnt. Then after that
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i found the advice quiet helpful but luckily I do have seeds left in a bag cause I got lots of other Wildflower seeds aswell the Nasturtium seeds. Then after that I said some wild plants weather there seedling or adult are clever in that they have hairs that catch small particles and things like ice and water droplets abit like us if you think about it since our eyelashes and hairs on out skin do the same thing. It’s interesting living things evolved this mechanism.
Then on the 22nd I said this seedling zoomed in from the frosted out pot that has melted has survived too which I also think is interesting aswell
then I sent a photo of some that survived the frost and some that didn’t and put this is very interesting this wildflower may not have survived the long period of snow or sleet and ice but however this one next to it did. I wonder why that would be?
After sending the the last two plants that survived far in the garden I said Iv only had to take out 2 wildflowers one was the same as the one in the bucket abouve that looks like dandelion leafs and with the seedlings that arnt Nasturtiums more have survived than ones Iv had to take out. even Ones that same species as the other.
It’s interesting the Sorrel survived the frost aswell as most of the seedlings so it seems a couple of them have also managed to survive the frost. It’s also interesting one of the flowers that were completely covered in Sleet or snow then frozen by ice in my pot also survived. Now it’s as if nothing ever happened and there just continueing as they were before the frost. After the frost it rained. The water probably melted the ice on the leafs not just ontop of the plant which could be one of the reasons for its survival maybe.
On the 23rd In reply to the part that said so far in the garden Iv only had to take out 2 wildflowers one was the same as the one in the bucket abouve that looks like dandelion leafs they probably are dent de lion. Lions tooth. Or otherwise known in the UK as dandelion the same as the one in the bucket abouve. Many seeds infiltrate our cultures/ seed beds exspeacialy the airborne variety.
There are two main types of plant genus. And the difference between them is great. We have annuals and perennials and each type has a different method/ means of for reproduction when gardening. Annuals rely upon seed distribution from the previous year to provide this years germination and growth for the plant to survive.
thus the genus allways evolves dependent on the pollination that the flower received to form seed
however perennials also have this ability but live for more than a year. Thus the plant can be spliced into an acceptable root that continues their growth. Il continue this later.
Then it is a Robbo replyed to me and said it all comes down to hardiness. Sorrel is a hardy plant it can survive low temperatures
annuals can be hardy. Some can be hardy. Some can germinate one year, survive frosts and flower the next Spring/Summer others get killed by cold temperatures for example. Perennials are not necessarily hardy. It is wrong to assume annuals die in cold weather and perennials don’t. It’s not as simple as that.
Going off the specifics slightly but hardiness isnt just about temprature survival. Many plants die in winter due to waterlogging, perennials included.
Plant genus us nothing to do with perennial or annual. Many genera contain a mix of both that and weather there hardy or not fuchsia is a very good example. Contains all sorts
. I replyed to Robbo while I was waiting. And said the seedlings in my border are only wild ones. So some of the wild ones must be quiet hardy. They did start growing sometime around after the heatwave and others were also coming up during October and November. Now there coming up so must of been waiting to come up under the leaves all before and through the frost
The conversation started going off topic after this
on the 24th December you replyed and said Im outta here.
This thread is all about photos and Iv not provided any. Together with others so it’s best I bow out of this thread/ discussion so I said
not everyone provides photos here but they still contribute to the thread for example Robbo doesn’t send any either. I did find what you said valuable but I thought I’d wait for you to add more since you said more about this later. I replyed to Robbo in the meantime I don’t know how busy Im going to be cause it’s Christmas Eve but if you want to add more like you said I will reply when I can.
Then you said well a merry Christmas to everyone here. Thank you for your kind inclusion to this thread Zo but I’m not sure that I’m welcome here, il repeat an earlyer post that I atempted to make elsewhere when I can find it
While I was away for the Christmas holidays for a week It is a Robbo said easiest way to find previous posts is to select you profile picture. You’re is the default Robin top right icon and under that profile then activity alternatively if you are referring to the other post you typed your opinions on recently it is here. And added a link.
Then you said said it was on another hard drive useing an o/s. This doesn’t help but thanks for your effort
Then it is a Robbo said your welcome. To save you looking through hard drives or needing to make operating systems relevant you can just post a link to the other website. To save you trying to use rich formatting again the link can be written in the reply text. Alternatively if you can’t remember the other website creating the most memorable post from scratch is the only other option. Presumably the missing post isn’t the same one you tryed to post useing rich formatting on the other thread on 16 th December?
Then on the next page you asked what’s your problem???
It was then it is a Robbo said it’d bee a shame if you were unable to post the response you’ve been refering to for a while just cause you have IT issues and that they are easy to overcome.