• Seaman
  • 16 Dec 2020 4:42 PM
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Some thoughts on covid 19 restrictions

  • Clare

    In reply to Seaman:

    Wendy S said:
    What with health conditions and age,77, I think I might be in the third wave but we will have to wait and see.

    You're in the third group, the over-75's.  Limpy is 66 and has so much wrong with him it would be easier to list what isn't wrong!

    Our herring gulls are red listed birds.  Think about that the next time you hear some flaming idiot calling for a cull of them.

  • Clare
    I won't ask why you show as Wendy S when I reply to you, Pete!!

    Our herring gulls are red listed birds.  Think about that the next time you hear some flaming idiot calling for a cull of them.

  • Gardenbirder
    Glad to hear you had your booster shot, TJ. I did wonder if you would get it as scheduled.
    For anyone worried about getting a vaccine--please don't be and rest assured. Only those people who already know they are likely to have a bad reaction to things, especially to the point of carrying an epi-pen in case of a severe allergic reaction, need to let their doctor know about that and discuss whether or not they should have the vaccine or not. All other adults will most likely be fine with a vaccine jab. For any concerned that a single jab might not work, I think I remember that the effectiveness of the first jab in the testing was something like 70 percent, which is 70 percent better than you might have without any vaccine injections at all. The second jab then boosts things to a bit higher level--anything is better than nothing. Also, remember that of everyone in the trial, of those few who had a reaction to the virus subsequent to having the vaccine jab, NO ONE had a severe reaction to the virus. Please ignore any of the stuff you see on social media--anyone who knows about drug design and testing of new possible drugs has complete confidence in these vaccines which have now been approved. Also, do not be alarmed by the speed at which the vaccines were developed, tested and approved. While normally it can take 10 years more or less to develop a new drug for anything, many companies dropped research on other drugs and threw everything they had, namely most or every drug design team, at finding a vaccine. Also, some of the testing procedures which are usually done in a deliberate order, were done simultaneously. This is a huge risk for a drug company because having thrown resources at developing and testing potential drugs for any purpose, not all of them will work and will have had to be abandoned, something which normally happens all of the time (which is part of the reason why drugs are so expensive), but under normal conditions, if a drug fails at any point in development and/or in testing, and tweaking the drug does not improve the drug's effectiveness, that drug is dropped fairly quickly in preference to heading down other lines of investigation. The testing of the vaccines has been just as rigorous as is normal, but to get a vaccine in the quickest possible time, much work and testing was done at the same time rather than sequentially. This note has been vetted by Mr GB, retired drug designer.

    Kind regards, 

    Ann

  • tony

    In reply to HAZY:

    The only people who have had an allergic reaction are people with a know recognised allergen problem. This vaccine is no different to the annual flu jab but provides a much better life saving opportunity. I used to work in drug development running clinical trails on a global basis and have been involved in all phases of development
    In normal times a new drug goes through Ph1 studies, first into man with male healthy volunteers who are monitored & kept in a specialised clinical unit. Once that process is complete then look at the data in terms of safety and efficacy. If all the data is looking good then they carry on the next studies.They then design Ph2 trials with a bigger population group again looking at safety & efficacy. When all those studies are completed and data reviewed and all is looking good they then go onto Ph3 trials with thousands of people from all ages and ethnicities still looking at safety and efficacy. With these vaccine studies they went through the same process but looked at the data as it was collected so they were reviewed continuously to enable them to run all the right Phases of clinical trials in parallel and not sequentially, this has been done before with some drugs and shaves years & years off the development cycle.
    In the height of the AIDs crisis in the 80's similar process was used to get the first drugs to market to save lives.

    Being on the CEVP list with compromised immune system I an in the 4th group to be vaccinated but currently in our area no one is being given the vaccine. So not expecting a jab until Feb/Mar at best.


    Tony

    https://www.flickr.com/photos/wherryman/

  • Clare
    Well said, Ann. These anti-vaxxers and conspiracy theorists need to be dealt with - they will cause unnecessary suffering and death with their baseless claims.

    Our herring gulls are red listed birds.  Think about that the next time you hear some flaming idiot calling for a cull of them.

  • Clare

    In reply to tony:

    Tony T said:
    Being on the CEVP list with compromised immune system I an in the 4th group to be vaccinated but currently in our area no one is being given the vaccine.

    Blimey.  Where do you live?

    Our herring gulls are red listed birds.  Think about that the next time you hear some flaming idiot calling for a cull of them.

  • tony

    In reply to Clare:

    In a village between Sudbury and Bury St Edmunds. There is a site in BSE but not in any villages yet.


    Tony

    https://www.flickr.com/photos/wherryman/

  • Gardenbirder
    Thanks, Tony and Clare. Great to have confirmation, Tony--thanks! One main issue might be that some people distrust experts, unfortunately. I recall our not-so-esteemed MP telling us during the Brexit row that "we've had enough of experts." With folk like that it is sadly no wonder that some end up doubting everyone and only listen to other uninformed folk.

    Kind regards, 

    Ann

  • Clare
    Nice part of the world. I imagine the villages on this side of the county will have a bit of a wait as well.

    Our herring gulls are red listed birds.  Think about that the next time you hear some flaming idiot calling for a cull of them.

  • Clare

    In reply to Gardenbirder:

    Gardenbirder said:
    I recall our not-so-esteemed MP telling us during the Brexit row that "we've had enough of experts."

    Blimey.  Who is this complete knob?

    Our herring gulls are red listed birds.  Think about that the next time you hear some flaming idiot calling for a cull of them.